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I think the issue with "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" is that motivations for NTs can be "leaky." The motivations underlying an action may not change the outcome of that specific action, but it can change the outcome of others. Like, take the case of "Nice Guys," ie. guys who use being nice as a social strategy to get laid. The problem isn't in any kind acts they did. The problem isn't in wanting to get laid. It's the building resentment underneath when they don't get what they feel they are owed. They become assholes (if they weren't assholes from the start), and this leaks out and causes all sorts of trouble.

Helping someone because it's something that needs to be done? That's a right reason. It's just as good for social order as helping someone because it feels good. A wrong reason would be, say, to help someone so that after helping them, you demand money. The outcome is different. Maybe you would say in this case, it was not "the right thing," because the actual right thing would be to help and then get on with your day. But I think we can recognize the first part (helping someone) as right, and the next part (demanding money) as wrong. For NTs the "reasons" tie these two acts together, whereas for you, I think they are two separate considerations.

That is not to say there aren't a people who use the phrase "right things for the wrong reasons" in bullshitty ways, like trying to gain control over others by guilt-tripping them about their motivations. That's definitely a thing, too. (Although in that case, it was never an honest evaluation of motives.)

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When I was younger, I was in the volunteer fire department. As it happened, I found out that I was considered quite a big deal because I did a lot of things to help people. However, I had an ex who wants confronted me about what a rotten person I was because I was doing all that stuff for glory

Anyway I finally got fed up with her confrontations and I told her that the reason that I did all those things was strictly to piss her off because I knew deep down inside. She was a rotten greedy person and doing selfless stuff pissed her off.

I told the other volunteer firefighters. Some of them thought it was funny. Some of them thought I was sick. I’ll leave it to you. Decide which one I think it is.

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