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great post. this is probably the same reason i hate people calling me an empath when really i just try very hard to listen and *then* proceed. i also REALLY like the phrasing of "how are you doing?" as well. usually before speaking/offering any type of support i'll ask "how are you coping?" to kind of get a gauge of exactly what was discussed here; if there was a death, what was their relationship w/the person, if there was a crisis, what is their outlook on it, etc., but i actually like "how are you doing" much better so thank you for including that.

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This is a really interesting article. Cognitive empathy is sometimes described as fake empathy with emotional empathy being described as genuine empathy. I do get the general inference behind these descriptions but similarly, I think that an individual with high levels of cognitive empathy can actually ‘beat’ my emotional empathy in terms of offering support in the right way.

For example, I had a discussion with a narcissist about Prince Harry. The assumption during the conversation was that Meghan Markle is a narcissist. My view, even with an understanding of narcissistic abuse and how it changes the behaviour of the victim, is that Harry has overstepped the mark. I no longer have any sympathy for him. At all. The narcissist using cognitive empathy and with a superior understanding of narcissistic abuse and what it does to the victim, was able to express ‘sympathy’ for Harry and maintain that Harry’s poor behaviour is as a direct result of the influence of the narcissist. As such Harry remains worthy of patience and sympathy.

In this way cognitive empathy appears to outstrip my emotional empathy. I don’t feel sympathy and I can’t bring myself to behave in a sympathetic way. The narcissist with cognitive empathy therefore appears more sympathetic than I do. Is he though? My only concern there is that my view feels genuine, the view expressed by the narcissist less so. I’m not sure I can verbalise properly what I mean by that.

From another angle I would have to disagree in part with the description of how emotional empathy operates. I have definitely seen people assume similar as regards suicide and agree with what you describe they are actually doing in terms of emotional projection. I do think though that there are some people with high levels of emotional empathy that don’t do this. They wait, ascertain the feelings of the friend / relative affected by the suicide before offering anything by way of emotional support.

As another example, I have a friend going through a very hard time currently. Recently out of a relationship with a narcissist. When I see him, I agree I am searching facial expressions, body language, tone, phrasing etc to establish exactly where he’s at emotionally. Why not ask him? I do, and he does his best to tell me, but even he cannot explain clearly exactly how he is feeling or the reasons why. In situations like this I actively reach out emotionally and sometimes I am able to take in exactly how he is feeling. His sadness for example is felt by me as his sadness. I know it belongs to him but it stays with me for hours sometimes days afterwards. A sadness that is his, not mine. It isn’t that I feel sad for him, I do, but that’s my sadness for him, this is altogether different. It isn’t just his sadness I feel, it’s his guilt, self blame, shame and many other emotions that blend together in one hugely painful and almost indiscernible mass. I believe this to be emotional contagion. It doesn’t happen with every individual and in every conversation, nor would I ever want it to, but when it does happen, it’s unmistakeable.

So this article interests me because I very much understand the points being made and they are forceful points as regards the validity of sophisticated cognitive empathy wielded by a non malignant individual. My own experiences though in certain circumstances with certain people, lead me to believe that there is more going on with emotional empathy than is fully understood as of yet.

Apologies for the long comment! Thank you for this article, I enjoyed reading it.

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