I thought about the post and the way he described his son and whether it validated the idea of op’s post being fiction or not, in particular, yesterday. The description of the son does reads like a description of a poorly written fictional character. It doesn’t mean however that it cannot be a grossly overdone description of a real person or a reflection of his father’s extremely dehumanizing perception of him, if the story is real, or both. What I am almost certain about is that whether the story is real or not, his post doesn’t reflect the reality.
If the author of the story didn't state it as being true, which places responsibility on his words, this would even be laughable. I mean it's like a messenger straght from hell was sent to this family. A malicious newborn making his parents' life a hell (malicious involves intent and we're talking about a newborn!) and later an evil toddler roaming around with an ever present evil grin on his face and causing mayhem...jeez! At least this family could have developed a phylosophical or religious set of conclusions from this unexplicable event they've been through. I imagine this would leave one with a lot of questions of good and bad in this world. I mean, sure, an ilness can be at times inexplicable in its causes but PURE evil... it is on the verge of paranormal
The thing that most speaks to me is that there is no detail about what this family did to help the boy, to hold on to his case despite his severity, as that's what one would expect parents to do.
To go at extreme lenghts for the sake of their children.
Anyway, even if this story is completely fictional, the author does have some erroneous, to say the least, perception of parenting if he chosed to put it in these terms. Chances are, if it is fictional, that the author was looking for audience and what better topic than children and extreme drama?
Im wondering if the father isn't showing classic signs of splitting? I hope this is fiction, but if the father was borderline then the lack of love for his son, but extreme love for his daughter is indicative of that. Also, if the story is true I'm convinced there is abuse towards the boy. If the father is a borderline then he would see his actions as perfectly reasonable, which may explain his failure to mention them other than the fighting after the daughter was born. Very interesting story and observations.
A very good question. I could see that being the case, but I could also see it being one of those parents that is so focused on themselves that they cannot tolerate anyone that steps out of their perception of how reality is supposed to be, that they treat that child like an enemy.
Yes I can see that too, forever the black sheep.... Just out of curiosity, what mental illness is that behavior common in? Im sure it falls into more then one.
I know that this can be the case with parents that are narcissists. They have the so-called "golden child", and then there is the black sheep, or the target. Borderline personality disorder, and malignant narcissistic personality disorder has been mentioned as well.
I agree that it sounds rehearsed. This person talking about their child speaks about him by citing what he believes are all of the hallmarks of what good parents say, rather than offering any true sentiments or feelings. He sounds like a guilty person protesting his innocence.
For me, the part where he introduced his child immediately as the 'identified patient' struck me as suspicious, and then, as you mentioned, the callous tone and lack of any empathy for the child. The whole presentation of "Children born bad: Am I right?" is kind of disturbing.
Probably should've read this one before commenting on the first one. You basically said the same thing that I said but better. Deserves a solid chef's kiss.
This assessment reminds me of a period in my life when I was attempting to be religious and was part of the "bus ministry" for a fundamentalist independent baptist church. There are some very badly damage people wandering around with truly horrific stories.
"By that time, if our son even came in to the same room as her, she would just stop whatever she was doing and start screaming “GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME! GET AWAY! GET THE FUCK OUT!” until he left."
seemed odd for two reasons. One, that is still his mother. They tend to be the ones that give more chances than the child or adult child deserves.
The other was that she would do this after the birth of the daughter, and whenever he came into the same room as her. Mother's usually have their babies with them, so she is screaming like a maniac at her son, in front of her daughter. That is not great parenting, nor is it particularly protective of their daughter.
That behavior made me think that it may be her as well.
I imagine a great deal of the treatment for reactive attachment disorder is related to trust. I have no idea how successful it was for these three young men though.
I thought about the post and the way he described his son and whether it validated the idea of op’s post being fiction or not, in particular, yesterday. The description of the son does reads like a description of a poorly written fictional character. It doesn’t mean however that it cannot be a grossly overdone description of a real person or a reflection of his father’s extremely dehumanizing perception of him, if the story is real, or both. What I am almost certain about is that whether the story is real or not, his post doesn’t reflect the reality.
It really leads to a lot of questions, and there aren't any answers that are concrete. Just supposition.
If the author of the story didn't state it as being true, which places responsibility on his words, this would even be laughable. I mean it's like a messenger straght from hell was sent to this family. A malicious newborn making his parents' life a hell (malicious involves intent and we're talking about a newborn!) and later an evil toddler roaming around with an ever present evil grin on his face and causing mayhem...jeez! At least this family could have developed a phylosophical or religious set of conclusions from this unexplicable event they've been through. I imagine this would leave one with a lot of questions of good and bad in this world. I mean, sure, an ilness can be at times inexplicable in its causes but PURE evil... it is on the verge of paranormal
The thing that most speaks to me is that there is no detail about what this family did to help the boy, to hold on to his case despite his severity, as that's what one would expect parents to do.
To go at extreme lenghts for the sake of their children.
Anyway, even if this story is completely fictional, the author does have some erroneous, to say the least, perception of parenting if he chosed to put it in these terms. Chances are, if it is fictional, that the author was looking for audience and what better topic than children and extreme drama?
Agreed, and I do hope that it is fictional, because it it isn't, it seems like it probably comes from the point of view of an abusive parent.
Im wondering if the father isn't showing classic signs of splitting? I hope this is fiction, but if the father was borderline then the lack of love for his son, but extreme love for his daughter is indicative of that. Also, if the story is true I'm convinced there is abuse towards the boy. If the father is a borderline then he would see his actions as perfectly reasonable, which may explain his failure to mention them other than the fighting after the daughter was born. Very interesting story and observations.
A very good question. I could see that being the case, but I could also see it being one of those parents that is so focused on themselves that they cannot tolerate anyone that steps out of their perception of how reality is supposed to be, that they treat that child like an enemy.
Yes I can see that too, forever the black sheep.... Just out of curiosity, what mental illness is that behavior common in? Im sure it falls into more then one.
I know that this can be the case with parents that are narcissists. They have the so-called "golden child", and then there is the black sheep, or the target. Borderline personality disorder, and malignant narcissistic personality disorder has been mentioned as well.
I agree that it sounds rehearsed. This person talking about their child speaks about him by citing what he believes are all of the hallmarks of what good parents say, rather than offering any true sentiments or feelings. He sounds like a guilty person protesting his innocence.
For me, the part where he introduced his child immediately as the 'identified patient' struck me as suspicious, and then, as you mentioned, the callous tone and lack of any empathy for the child. The whole presentation of "Children born bad: Am I right?" is kind of disturbing.
Indeed, that was pretty much my assessment as well.
Probably should've read this one before commenting on the first one. You basically said the same thing that I said but better. Deserves a solid chef's kiss.
Thank you, Matthew
This assessment reminds me of a period in my life when I was attempting to be religious and was part of the "bus ministry" for a fundamentalist independent baptist church. There are some very badly damage people wandering around with truly horrific stories.
Quite unfortunately true
I'm wondering now that should there be anything factual in the story that it may have been the wife/mother who was the abuser?
I was wondering that myself. This part;
"By that time, if our son even came in to the same room as her, she would just stop whatever she was doing and start screaming “GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME! GET AWAY! GET THE FUCK OUT!” until he left."
seemed odd for two reasons. One, that is still his mother. They tend to be the ones that give more chances than the child or adult child deserves.
The other was that she would do this after the birth of the daughter, and whenever he came into the same room as her. Mother's usually have their babies with them, so she is screaming like a maniac at her son, in front of her daughter. That is not great parenting, nor is it particularly protective of their daughter.
That behavior made me think that it may be her as well.
The other was
Your case study is leading me to rethink how they have diagnosed my grandson and his treatment. Thank you.
You are quite welcome, Shelly.
I imagine a great deal of the treatment for reactive attachment disorder is related to trust. I have no idea how successful it was for these three young men though.
Quite true