I just hate, so vehemently, that people, even so-called scientists, use studies to back their claim without truly evaluating the studies! Peer-reviewed studies are suspicious right off the top, but are considered sacrosanct, and those that might disagree risk condemnation from those peers, just for doing what scientists (and intelligent truth seekers) should do - THINK CRITICALLY! So much of today’s funding is received not for the merit of the study, but who you know, how your thesis fits in with the political zeitgeist, and how good you are at manipulating stats, because anyone who knows about stats knows they can be very misleading. Don’t get me started on control groups (although granted, because of ethical situations, sometimes it just isn’t possible).
So many people suffer because of this practice - not just scientists with good ideas and the passion for furthering discovery, but those waiting forever breakthroughs in orphan diseases, for example, or those that are prescribed medications that are truly harmful, because they have been through a shoddy evaluative process pressured by money, greed, massive egos and just plain bad people.
Sorry for the rant. I’ve experienced this firsthand, not just in the academic community, but as a proponent and patient of CCSVI, a legitimate condition, with solid evidence in existence for over 150 years. Treatment is a form of angioplasty, proven to be just as safe as a tonsillectomy and in practice, cheaply (about $2000 per procedure, at most, without complications that is) since the early 1970’s. That’s 50 years of common practice, performed widely in hospitals all over, which can legitimately aid in devastating diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis. The main reason CCSVI has been debunked (by only one particularly flawed study that even the conductor of it agrees to the flaws), compared to a body of supporting research? The go-to “treatments” for MS are called disease modifying therapies. Not cures. Not even treatments. Drugs that are the most devastating to your body, they knock out your immune system, have horrendous side effects, which “may” slow down the progression of the disease by a few percent, and cost hundreds of thousands to the patient. It is a multi-BILLION dollar industry, where the goal is to keep a patients’ treatment choices limited to a few of these drugs, keep them around long enough to profit, but never better enough to stop taking them, to support egocentric, close-minded neurologists and drug companies (who fund medical schools, who lobby governments, and who have free advertising through the MS Society, which is not a true charity or support group, but a cleverly-hidden group that continues to support this insidiousness, by literally brainwashing newly-diagnosed, terrified people into taking these drugs, and choosing to shove donations at studies they deem important (in other words, more of the same)). CCSVI isn’t even a neurological issue, but a vascular one which does not fall under the neurologists’ speciality! It has the potential to directly affect the well-being of untold people who suffer from a variety of formerly-considered purely neurological illness, more than just MS, but one study, reported on heavily by a paid journalist with an agenda, supported by aforementioned egocentric neurologists (with their own studies to push), billion dollar profits by a few drug companies (some who only make these disease modifying therapies), medical schools, the international MS Society (a “charity” that pays their national CEO’s 500k salaries to push agendas)… whew! You get my point.
And the public is not encouraged to or taught about critical thinking, so advocates are a handful of poor sick people and some scientists (with solid data) that have to fight Goliath and have their licenses revoked by the FDA, their studies cancelled by the “for purchase” supervisory bodies.
This is an example of what can happen if Joe and Jill Public don’t think critically.
I’m sorry for the extremely long post on your thread. Your frustration with the treatment and study of psychopathology mirrors my frustration with the brain disease one.
I am very familiar with exactly what you are talking about in terms of treatments that would be helpful, as opposed to drugs that just continue the disease process, while adding more side effects.
I have seen the stubbornness in the medical field, and I have seen how much it can destroy patients lives. A disease that will cost seven dollars to prevent in the earliest of stages, but once rooted is hundreds of thousand of dollars, physically devastating, and possibly life ending, and outright denied in its existence, because of its expense, and low resolution rate at that stage. It has basically become a hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil, therefore it doesn't exist kind of thing. If it happens with two conditions, it happens with many.
Foundations like that are never true charities. People believe that they are doing good work, so they give them money, but they aren't. The donations only go to fund its continued existence, not for progress. Once it gets that large, too many people depend on it to continue for their own livelihoods. I have seen this numerous large charities, and have no confidence in any of them.
This is exactly why I write about people needing to do their own research so often. The world lies to you, and uses your emotions to push the narrative. It is pervasive, constant, and it's everywhere.
It’s quite something to really feel heard, understood, and I know not on an emotional level, but there is cognitive empathy here that touches me. Thank you. Well said.
Well written, though everything is subject to opinion, except true science. Even that changes as we progress. The world and people in it change and hopefully advance. Perhaps not as quickly as we would like.
Yes true, science is about proof and facts that can be confirmed, in other words it requires proof, reproducible outcomes of something is too be considered a fact. More there are theories in science of course but that's not what I was thinking about. Whereas psychology is very often jaded by opinion.
May I request less moaning of this sort, and more insights for neurotypicals? I imagine your readers and subscribers needn't be convinced, however cathartic this might be for you.
Writing on Substack is a new audience, and many of them may be lacking the very basics when it comes to psychopathy, which is what I hope to address in posts like this. As much as I would like to think 'been there, done that', in my writing, I often come across people that are new to the very concept of psychopathy, and what it is.
A body of work like this is for that person. It is a bit unfortunate to have to constantly repeat myself, but it is something that must be done in order for the people reading to have a functional ground to work from.
Otherwise I would be throwing them into information without the basics. It is one thing to understand if you have read my writing previously, or have done other reading, perhaps know another psychopath, but it is quite another to be coming from a place of thinking psychopath means ASPD, which also means sociopath, which also somehow overlaps with NPD, BPD, HPD, or a number of other possibilities. We have to meet people where they are, and many are lacking the fundamentals.
I very much know what you mean. I have said this about why I invested in my Significant Other;
My preferred state is one of solitude. If someone comes along and improves upon that state I will make adjustments in order to accommodate them in my life. If that person leaves, I return to my preferred state.
This is or at least should be of great importance to the NT trying to understand the psychopathic mind. Simple looking for assorted forms of bad behavior doesn't cut it as from my experience most NT are looking to latch on to any sort of emotionally driven experience which most certainly involves bad behavior.
My experience has shown me that there's a sort of witch hunt going on with the intention of scapegoating people as psychopaths and I personally want to avoid being officially diagnosed if I am indeed one as I suspect. Religious and political movements ranging from snake handlers to BLM all give people who are not psychopaths motivation to do stupid and violent things with no regard for consequence and frankly screw those guys.
A great deal of this comment is going to be a general statement, but because I think you have read me long enough to understand the need for it, I am going to put it here, if you don't mind, as I find it necessary.
It is a difficult map to navigate, as right now I am balancing people that followed me from Quora, and thus are well informed as to the basics, and brand new people that have nothing to draw from.
I have to make sure that there is a library that people can reference in the archives if I am not to fall into the same place that I have been on Quora, where there is so much information that people often stumble onto my work, as opposed to here where they are focused on it.
When they might stumble on it in a mountain of other things, I find myself repeating the same information over and over again, whereas here, it is necessary to at least address the basic questions that newcomers may have. It seems I may have to write a post about this specifically.
Here ya go …..some hares dialogue setting with a few good men Barney the dinosaur as a CDC inmate putting in work on the narcissistic toddler shotcaller…..cue up Barney’s song I love you you love me we’re a happy family ……
Good morning , a little coffee with my favorite crayon eaters delight breakfast was needed to
Calm that Hare dialogue down a notch ( had no idea that little bastard needs to put on a timeout if I’m going to be licking any windows digesting your writings . Appreciate your patience as I go thru these epiphanies that allow me to lookup a term and realize hare was running amuck like a kid lost in a bag of Halloween candy…….all this time I was just conditioned to think that was a bad thing only people with issues experience and I needed to be on uptake inhibitors and monitored…..so this is a big day for me then . “Make note to self : thank my therapist for the hack job on my inner dialogue evaluation: invite Stuart Smalley and Barney over and tell them I missed them and that the Toddler Shotcaller in my brain housing group had to be put in the hat and won’t be making problems for the rest of the homies in the Purple Dinosaur Car. My adrenaline dumpcortisol infused body armor is ready to green light the little Narcissist for the greater good . Discipline must be maintained thru selective violence….. as bad as this cliche sounds it will ultimately save little innocent puppies and kittens all over and hopefully set the bar a bit higher for Hollywood serial killer movies . You see deep down inplaces you don’t talk about ……you need me on that fence …..you want me on that fence as grotesque as my existence is to
Your expertise mask …….I save lives compared to you in your faggoty little fantasy world of Crayon eating weaklings …….. and if I happen to get a throbbing erection at the thought of unpacking your intestines be assured it will be to the sound of me whistling a song you hate . Okay…… we all better now and deep breath …..3 ….2….1 .
Hereby grant you permission to utilize any of my drivel in your quest to educate thru Hare brain humor 😉🤮✅ the marines gave me a version of this article . Be awful grateful for your take on its premise or actual value . I didn’t do
Myself any favors whatsoever trying to get help emulating it’s naive author . Art and solitary time quietly traveling is pretty fulfilling I find .
A man can be quickly defined and conviiently pigeon holed into any category a clinical psychiatric student with a gift for misdirection and complacency riddled thesis work or peer evaluation reviews that are manipulated or a critical part of achieving that sought after extra notch of validation that says “ I’m the man I’m published …..now grab my koolaid and adore my twaddle …… after all I actually had to do my studies in a prison where controlled environment psychopathy is the thing I’ve graciously defined for all of you and done all the heavy lifting to extrapolate what you all want to know in simplest form …what better way to allow this condition to maximize its impact in meaningful
Manner than to just smother it and deny it room to breathe freely
Mature evolve take form display it’s uniqueness that inspires the sun of all fears and a glut of equally shitty movies about serial killers …….forgive my poor view of those that rule the high castle …..it’s not for the amateurish dismissal of poorly executed studies using subject not under natural conditions but rather a limited number under duress and generally a predetermined result being achieved thru poorly designed reverse engineering. To me being your average worker bee I’ve met numerous people that have been labeled by loved ones or exes or had situations where impulse control or similar official sounding words were utilized to avoid accountability and set the stage for someone deemed a threat . Usually by a fool that probably pissed off someone willing to put things in order with a smile . When
Left alone the psychopath is no more more dangerous than arrogant masters and published Psychiatric experts that would find joy in feeding a darkness they are unaware had them from go
. I’m nobody just another shadow passing thru …… would love any input on successful emulation of empathy vs not feeling it matters to emulate something you don’t feel . I’m not against letting someone wallow
In their own shit if try to throw me in it with out asking . Impulse control isn’t the problem ….. button pushing my darkness is . How did it become on my shoulders to tolerate your poor construct of me ? If I need to be the definition of your idiocy well I’d like to at least get my money worth and leave a lasting impression you won’t forget ……. Because ironically I won’t give it a thought for a sec other than my grin
….. only two kinds of pain that hurts and that alters …… best to understand this .
Wonderful postings Athena . I’m not clinical or anything just enjoy well written stuff . Cheers 😘
Don’t take my inability to find good wording ….., that was bit fragmented and out of context . I’m directly in opposition to the manner experts extrapolate what they deem as research . Anyone can put lipstick on a pig and fool just enough ……. But then again life isn’t fair …… so I’ll watch you chase after the fucks nobody in my world will ever give Mr expert .
The irony of the antisocial psychopath statistic is that I've seen statistics pertaining to bipolar and schizophrenic individuals being more likely to be antisocial than psychopaths but they're less likely to end up in jail or prison due to the nature of their illness - if they're arrested, then it's more likely for them to be confined in a psychiatric ward until deemed safe for society.
The stigma surrounding psychopathy keeps them from being put in this kind of setting.
I just hate, so vehemently, that people, even so-called scientists, use studies to back their claim without truly evaluating the studies! Peer-reviewed studies are suspicious right off the top, but are considered sacrosanct, and those that might disagree risk condemnation from those peers, just for doing what scientists (and intelligent truth seekers) should do - THINK CRITICALLY! So much of today’s funding is received not for the merit of the study, but who you know, how your thesis fits in with the political zeitgeist, and how good you are at manipulating stats, because anyone who knows about stats knows they can be very misleading. Don’t get me started on control groups (although granted, because of ethical situations, sometimes it just isn’t possible).
So many people suffer because of this practice - not just scientists with good ideas and the passion for furthering discovery, but those waiting forever breakthroughs in orphan diseases, for example, or those that are prescribed medications that are truly harmful, because they have been through a shoddy evaluative process pressured by money, greed, massive egos and just plain bad people.
Sorry for the rant. I’ve experienced this firsthand, not just in the academic community, but as a proponent and patient of CCSVI, a legitimate condition, with solid evidence in existence for over 150 years. Treatment is a form of angioplasty, proven to be just as safe as a tonsillectomy and in practice, cheaply (about $2000 per procedure, at most, without complications that is) since the early 1970’s. That’s 50 years of common practice, performed widely in hospitals all over, which can legitimately aid in devastating diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis. The main reason CCSVI has been debunked (by only one particularly flawed study that even the conductor of it agrees to the flaws), compared to a body of supporting research? The go-to “treatments” for MS are called disease modifying therapies. Not cures. Not even treatments. Drugs that are the most devastating to your body, they knock out your immune system, have horrendous side effects, which “may” slow down the progression of the disease by a few percent, and cost hundreds of thousands to the patient. It is a multi-BILLION dollar industry, where the goal is to keep a patients’ treatment choices limited to a few of these drugs, keep them around long enough to profit, but never better enough to stop taking them, to support egocentric, close-minded neurologists and drug companies (who fund medical schools, who lobby governments, and who have free advertising through the MS Society, which is not a true charity or support group, but a cleverly-hidden group that continues to support this insidiousness, by literally brainwashing newly-diagnosed, terrified people into taking these drugs, and choosing to shove donations at studies they deem important (in other words, more of the same)). CCSVI isn’t even a neurological issue, but a vascular one which does not fall under the neurologists’ speciality! It has the potential to directly affect the well-being of untold people who suffer from a variety of formerly-considered purely neurological illness, more than just MS, but one study, reported on heavily by a paid journalist with an agenda, supported by aforementioned egocentric neurologists (with their own studies to push), billion dollar profits by a few drug companies (some who only make these disease modifying therapies), medical schools, the international MS Society (a “charity” that pays their national CEO’s 500k salaries to push agendas)… whew! You get my point.
And the public is not encouraged to or taught about critical thinking, so advocates are a handful of poor sick people and some scientists (with solid data) that have to fight Goliath and have their licenses revoked by the FDA, their studies cancelled by the “for purchase” supervisory bodies.
This is an example of what can happen if Joe and Jill Public don’t think critically.
I’m sorry for the extremely long post on your thread. Your frustration with the treatment and study of psychopathology mirrors my frustration with the brain disease one.
I am very familiar with exactly what you are talking about in terms of treatments that would be helpful, as opposed to drugs that just continue the disease process, while adding more side effects.
I have seen the stubbornness in the medical field, and I have seen how much it can destroy patients lives. A disease that will cost seven dollars to prevent in the earliest of stages, but once rooted is hundreds of thousand of dollars, physically devastating, and possibly life ending, and outright denied in its existence, because of its expense, and low resolution rate at that stage. It has basically become a hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil, therefore it doesn't exist kind of thing. If it happens with two conditions, it happens with many.
Foundations like that are never true charities. People believe that they are doing good work, so they give them money, but they aren't. The donations only go to fund its continued existence, not for progress. Once it gets that large, too many people depend on it to continue for their own livelihoods. I have seen this numerous large charities, and have no confidence in any of them.
This is exactly why I write about people needing to do their own research so often. The world lies to you, and uses your emotions to push the narrative. It is pervasive, constant, and it's everywhere.
It’s quite something to really feel heard, understood, and I know not on an emotional level, but there is cognitive empathy here that touches me. Thank you. Well said.
Well written, though everything is subject to opinion, except true science. Even that changes as we progress. The world and people in it change and hopefully advance. Perhaps not as quickly as we would like.
So long as we are approaching science with the a lot of questions, and not with the expectation of a bible, we are all in good shape.
Yes true, science is about proof and facts that can be confirmed, in other words it requires proof, reproducible outcomes of something is too be considered a fact. More there are theories in science of course but that's not what I was thinking about. Whereas psychology is very often jaded by opinion.
Yes, I would agree with that assessment.
May I request less moaning of this sort, and more insights for neurotypicals? I imagine your readers and subscribers needn't be convinced, however cathartic this might be for you.
Writing on Substack is a new audience, and many of them may be lacking the very basics when it comes to psychopathy, which is what I hope to address in posts like this. As much as I would like to think 'been there, done that', in my writing, I often come across people that are new to the very concept of psychopathy, and what it is.
A body of work like this is for that person. It is a bit unfortunate to have to constantly repeat myself, but it is something that must be done in order for the people reading to have a functional ground to work from.
Otherwise I would be throwing them into information without the basics. It is one thing to understand if you have read my writing previously, or have done other reading, perhaps know another psychopath, but it is quite another to be coming from a place of thinking psychopath means ASPD, which also means sociopath, which also somehow overlaps with NPD, BPD, HPD, or a number of other possibilities. We have to meet people where they are, and many are lacking the fundamentals.
Correct. Thank you for providing that foundation . . . even though you may have to do it over and over. It is welcomed.
The psychopath in my life definitely was not antisocial, but at the same time was happy to be alone.
I very much know what you mean. I have said this about why I invested in my Significant Other;
My preferred state is one of solitude. If someone comes along and improves upon that state I will make adjustments in order to accommodate them in my life. If that person leaves, I return to my preferred state.
This is or at least should be of great importance to the NT trying to understand the psychopathic mind. Simple looking for assorted forms of bad behavior doesn't cut it as from my experience most NT are looking to latch on to any sort of emotionally driven experience which most certainly involves bad behavior.
My experience has shown me that there's a sort of witch hunt going on with the intention of scapegoating people as psychopaths and I personally want to avoid being officially diagnosed if I am indeed one as I suspect. Religious and political movements ranging from snake handlers to BLM all give people who are not psychopaths motivation to do stupid and violent things with no regard for consequence and frankly screw those guys.
A great deal of this comment is going to be a general statement, but because I think you have read me long enough to understand the need for it, I am going to put it here, if you don't mind, as I find it necessary.
It is a difficult map to navigate, as right now I am balancing people that followed me from Quora, and thus are well informed as to the basics, and brand new people that have nothing to draw from.
I have to make sure that there is a library that people can reference in the archives if I am not to fall into the same place that I have been on Quora, where there is so much information that people often stumble onto my work, as opposed to here where they are focused on it.
When they might stumble on it in a mountain of other things, I find myself repeating the same information over and over again, whereas here, it is necessary to at least address the basic questions that newcomers may have. It seems I may have to write a post about this specifically.
Actually, I think I will do just that tomorrow.
Here ya go …..some hares dialogue setting with a few good men Barney the dinosaur as a CDC inmate putting in work on the narcissistic toddler shotcaller…..cue up Barney’s song I love you you love me we’re a happy family ……
Good morning , a little coffee with my favorite crayon eaters delight breakfast was needed to
Calm that Hare dialogue down a notch ( had no idea that little bastard needs to put on a timeout if I’m going to be licking any windows digesting your writings . Appreciate your patience as I go thru these epiphanies that allow me to lookup a term and realize hare was running amuck like a kid lost in a bag of Halloween candy…….all this time I was just conditioned to think that was a bad thing only people with issues experience and I needed to be on uptake inhibitors and monitored…..so this is a big day for me then . “Make note to self : thank my therapist for the hack job on my inner dialogue evaluation: invite Stuart Smalley and Barney over and tell them I missed them and that the Toddler Shotcaller in my brain housing group had to be put in the hat and won’t be making problems for the rest of the homies in the Purple Dinosaur Car. My adrenaline dumpcortisol infused body armor is ready to green light the little Narcissist for the greater good . Discipline must be maintained thru selective violence….. as bad as this cliche sounds it will ultimately save little innocent puppies and kittens all over and hopefully set the bar a bit higher for Hollywood serial killer movies . You see deep down inplaces you don’t talk about ……you need me on that fence …..you want me on that fence as grotesque as my existence is to
Your expertise mask …….I save lives compared to you in your faggoty little fantasy world of Crayon eating weaklings …….. and if I happen to get a throbbing erection at the thought of unpacking your intestines be assured it will be to the sound of me whistling a song you hate . Okay…… we all better now and deep breath …..3 ….2….1 .
Hereby grant you permission to utilize any of my drivel in your quest to educate thru Hare brain humor 😉🤮✅ the marines gave me a version of this article . Be awful grateful for your take on its premise or actual value . I didn’t do
Myself any favors whatsoever trying to get help emulating it’s naive author . Art and solitary time quietly traveling is pretty fulfilling I find .
It’s okay to not be okayK
A man can be quickly defined and conviiently pigeon holed into any category a clinical psychiatric student with a gift for misdirection and complacency riddled thesis work or peer evaluation reviews that are manipulated or a critical part of achieving that sought after extra notch of validation that says “ I’m the man I’m published …..now grab my koolaid and adore my twaddle …… after all I actually had to do my studies in a prison where controlled environment psychopathy is the thing I’ve graciously defined for all of you and done all the heavy lifting to extrapolate what you all want to know in simplest form …what better way to allow this condition to maximize its impact in meaningful
Manner than to just smother it and deny it room to breathe freely
Mature evolve take form display it’s uniqueness that inspires the sun of all fears and a glut of equally shitty movies about serial killers …….forgive my poor view of those that rule the high castle …..it’s not for the amateurish dismissal of poorly executed studies using subject not under natural conditions but rather a limited number under duress and generally a predetermined result being achieved thru poorly designed reverse engineering. To me being your average worker bee I’ve met numerous people that have been labeled by loved ones or exes or had situations where impulse control or similar official sounding words were utilized to avoid accountability and set the stage for someone deemed a threat . Usually by a fool that probably pissed off someone willing to put things in order with a smile . When
Left alone the psychopath is no more more dangerous than arrogant masters and published Psychiatric experts that would find joy in feeding a darkness they are unaware had them from go
. I’m nobody just another shadow passing thru …… would love any input on successful emulation of empathy vs not feeling it matters to emulate something you don’t feel . I’m not against letting someone wallow
In their own shit if try to throw me in it with out asking . Impulse control isn’t the problem ….. button pushing my darkness is . How did it become on my shoulders to tolerate your poor construct of me ? If I need to be the definition of your idiocy well I’d like to at least get my money worth and leave a lasting impression you won’t forget ……. Because ironically I won’t give it a thought for a sec other than my grin
….. only two kinds of pain that hurts and that alters …… best to understand this .
Wonderful postings Athena . I’m not clinical or anything just enjoy well written stuff . Cheers 😘
Don’t take my inability to find good wording ….., that was bit fragmented and out of context . I’m directly in opposition to the manner experts extrapolate what they deem as research . Anyone can put lipstick on a pig and fool just enough ……. But then again life isn’t fair …… so I’ll watch you chase after the fucks nobody in my world will ever give Mr expert .
I can only hope that Hare's inner monologue is exactly as you describe. At least he would be funny if it were.
The irony of the antisocial psychopath statistic is that I've seen statistics pertaining to bipolar and schizophrenic individuals being more likely to be antisocial than psychopaths but they're less likely to end up in jail or prison due to the nature of their illness - if they're arrested, then it's more likely for them to be confined in a psychiatric ward until deemed safe for society.
The stigma surrounding psychopathy keeps them from being put in this kind of setting.