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Alicia's avatar

Jesus, I've been waiting for this and you did not disappoint. This whole piece reminded me of the movie Jacob's Ladder. This entire experiment was cruel and unusual and really disgusting. I'm so sorry for those young men. But I can't say that I am shocked. Terrible experiments have been done on many people over the decades, I mean if they can inject African American enlisted men with Syphilis (pretty sure it was that) then even all the talk about mkultra isn't really inconceivable. Thank you Athena.

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Holy crap. Even looking aside the whole angle of "fixing psychopathic insanity" that was anything but an ideal therapeutic setting to administer psychadelic drugs.

I'm starting to relize that in those times, "psychopathy" was used as a blanket term for people showing absent empathy regardless of etiology or diagnostic framework, and "sanity" seems to have been equated with "empathy". So the term "psychopath" would then likely encompass many people with PD's while possibly missing many functional psychopaths who are far more apt at managing their emotions, skillfully crafting their public image, and wisely safeguarding their privacy.

Although this got me thinking, and I did come across some other recent experiments along comparable lines that are arguably not as unhinged (or custom made by "war on drugs" type groups of interest). Like this one that revolved around psylocybin and merely sought to investigate if it would help raise emotional empathy in aggressive people, although it ultimately did not change moral decision-making once the subjects returned to their baseline (not surprisingly to anyone who's ever been to rave parties, since that seems to be how those substances affect most people):

https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/20/9/747/3868840

"Conclusions

These findings provide first evidence that psilocybin has distinct effects on social cognition by enhancing emotional empathy but not moral behavior. Furthermore, together with previous findings, psilocybin appears to promote emotional empathy presumably via activation of serotonin 2A/1A receptors, suggesting that targeting serotonin 2A/1A receptors has implications for potential treatment of dysfunctional social cognition."

I'm wondering Athena - I know that most prescription drugs tend to have erratic effects on you, and it seems you are not at all inclined to dabble in illicit drugs. But is there any substance (wine, even some foods) that gives you a sort of temporary silly heartwarming type mood that feels foreign to your normal experience? Do you ever have inklings of emotional empathy in any circumstance, even if fleeting?

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