OMG Athena thank you for addressing this! I am a person diagnosed with BPD with some overlap of aspd and THESE exact points were my reasons for unsubbing from Vaknin on YT. It's disgusting with him and the way he is so sexist re: women with BPD and calls them psychopaths! The ASPD asserts itself most strongly when we are in active addiction and/or just trying to survive the streets when homeless. Geesh, psychopathy couldn't be further from the truth 🤦. I've reached certain conclusions re: my issues too. We do and can recover! We also "age out": especially if one is addressing those traumas as I have. Lots of work there.
Vaknin is a hack kinda frustrating with Hare at times too. It's like science and reason go right out the window with these 2, especially Vaknin, it's clear he's got deep seated issues about woman. HG is so hell bent on growing his channel about narcissism and ",legacy" he literally thinks he does "forensic analysis" on people in the media and diagnosis public figures and says BPD and HPD is all narcissism. He has no degrees in psychology whatsoever and diagnoses people he doesn't even know or claims he has met then puts out stories saying they simply just all wanted him. Clearly deluded. He's a hustler though bc he has 'sycophants who hang on and believe every word out of his mouth! They don't see how he's manipulating his " followers" out of money either. Load of rubbish. I see through his hustle big time come on🤦 I know he's quite intelligent, articulate and analytical but I know what is true and what is YT. 🌹❤️
I have significant issues with Vaknin and HG as well, though I have spent zero time reading HG's stuff, and what limited time I spent on Vaknin's wasn't well spent.
True. Once you see through these people you can't unsee it. These people do not treat people nor are they in the industry yet they are never wrong which is troubling to say the least. They are clearly building their channels and or legacies. 🤦
I saw a video about a man whom he diagnosed as. a psychopath. Idk if he was or not but my Spidey senses say no and I thought it took considerably more time and testing to make that determination.
I’ve read the study after reading your post last week and I was going to write a comment about the study with the adolescence but decided against it since I figured you would cover it.
I am skeptical about looking for BPD traits in teenagers as well. Intense unstable emotions, and unstable relationships sounds like a typical teenage experience. As of the release of the DSM V personality disorders that were previously only diagnosed in adults can now be diagnosed in adolescence if they display symptoms for more than a year.
Were the teenagers in this study displaying BPD traits consistently for over a year? If not the BPD traits could literally just be traits of a young person going through puberty.
Therein lies the issue with such things. They don't seem to have any sort of long term cohort that they are dealing with. Instead, they are presenting a snapshot in time in order to make a point.
I also didn’t like the fact that psychopathic and BPD traits were labeled “mating strategies”. It implies that both conditions are something people do rather than something people have.
Yes people with either condition engage in manipulation, but the fact that your brain can’t process oxytocin is not a strategy on your part.
I bring this up because a lot of neurodivergent and mentally ill behaviour is seen as something intentional done for the purpose of hurting other people.
Way for this study to further the stigma! Let’s study a group of hormonal teenagers and label their behaviours as signs of major personality disorders which are really intentional mating strategies. What was this study trying to research?
OMG Athena thank you for addressing this! I am a person diagnosed with BPD with some overlap of aspd and THESE exact points were my reasons for unsubbing from Vaknin on YT. It's disgusting with him and the way he is so sexist re: women with BPD and calls them psychopaths! The ASPD asserts itself most strongly when we are in active addiction and/or just trying to survive the streets when homeless. Geesh, psychopathy couldn't be further from the truth 🤦. I've reached certain conclusions re: my issues too. We do and can recover! We also "age out": especially if one is addressing those traumas as I have. Lots of work there.
Vaknin is a hack kinda frustrating with Hare at times too. It's like science and reason go right out the window with these 2, especially Vaknin, it's clear he's got deep seated issues about woman. HG is so hell bent on growing his channel about narcissism and ",legacy" he literally thinks he does "forensic analysis" on people in the media and diagnosis public figures and says BPD and HPD is all narcissism. He has no degrees in psychology whatsoever and diagnoses people he doesn't even know or claims he has met then puts out stories saying they simply just all wanted him. Clearly deluded. He's a hustler though bc he has 'sycophants who hang on and believe every word out of his mouth! They don't see how he's manipulating his " followers" out of money either. Load of rubbish. I see through his hustle big time come on🤦 I know he's quite intelligent, articulate and analytical but I know what is true and what is YT. 🌹❤️
I have significant issues with Vaknin and HG as well, though I have spent zero time reading HG's stuff, and what limited time I spent on Vaknin's wasn't well spent.
True. Once you see through these people you can't unsee it. These people do not treat people nor are they in the industry yet they are never wrong which is troubling to say the least. They are clearly building their channels and or legacies. 🤦
I saw a video about a man whom he diagnosed as. a psychopath. Idk if he was or not but my Spidey senses say no and I thought it took considerably more time and testing to make that determination.
It most certainly does
I’ve read the study after reading your post last week and I was going to write a comment about the study with the adolescence but decided against it since I figured you would cover it.
I am skeptical about looking for BPD traits in teenagers as well. Intense unstable emotions, and unstable relationships sounds like a typical teenage experience. As of the release of the DSM V personality disorders that were previously only diagnosed in adults can now be diagnosed in adolescence if they display symptoms for more than a year.
Were the teenagers in this study displaying BPD traits consistently for over a year? If not the BPD traits could literally just be traits of a young person going through puberty.
Therein lies the issue with such things. They don't seem to have any sort of long term cohort that they are dealing with. Instead, they are presenting a snapshot in time in order to make a point.
I also didn’t like the fact that psychopathic and BPD traits were labeled “mating strategies”. It implies that both conditions are something people do rather than something people have.
Yes people with either condition engage in manipulation, but the fact that your brain can’t process oxytocin is not a strategy on your part.
I bring this up because a lot of neurodivergent and mentally ill behaviour is seen as something intentional done for the purpose of hurting other people.
Way for this study to further the stigma! Let’s study a group of hormonal teenagers and label their behaviours as signs of major personality disorders which are really intentional mating strategies. What was this study trying to research?
A very good,, yet unanswerable question
I took way to long to read this one. I think that the people producing this drivel have lost track of whatever point they were even attempting to make
I salute you for not only making it through that mess but being able to comment and debunk it as well
It was quite headache inducing, so thank you