Criminal justice researcher/licensed California therapist here. Here is "Patric Gagne's" real personal and professional identify as far as can be gleaned. Her real name is Patricia J Cagle (if anything about her is verifiably real) not Dr. Patricia Gagne. Notably, she did not file a "fictitious business name" in California to operate her clinical practice under a fictitious name. She wrote both her her Modern Love and memoir under a fictitious name and identity. She has conflicting explanations for why her name is "Patric" not Patricia. Clever but deceptive. She told the highly credulous NYT David Marchese that she she shortened her name to appear more "masculine than feminine." Her actual performer website states that she changed her name to prevent her clients from knowing who she really is. Her acting profile states that her false identity is "so far working:""Patric" is also- looking at real information- an Improve theatre performer and claims that she hides her real identity so that her, presumably vulnerable psychotherapy clients, cannot find out anything about her real, private life. Her photos verify the actor and the author are the same woman. She may or may not have graduated from UCLA and received a BA, but records cannot be found. (I have an undergraduate degree from Yale-easily located as are my graduate degrees from University of San Francisco). Her graduate degree, is a PsyD, not a Phd. It was granted from a sketch graduate school in LA. She does appear to have a provider number but not under her name or identity and it may or may not be as a MA counselor or PsyD. It is critical to state that the REAL Dr. Gagne is a much older, eminent Dr. of Sociology with 72 major peer reviewed articles in gender studies and interesting subjects like motorcyclists. I wrote her to alert her. Other than Modern Love, I could not find a single reference to any articles, studies or any-general readership article/study/ essay or any evidence of advocacy. Lies.
When I read things like this I am always struck by the fact that good old Mk I neurotypical human beings can commit almost any atrocity that could be imagined with some prep time and with further planning actually feel good and justified about having done it.
In fact that's what would make a sociopath. You take an individual and place him or her in an environment where bad behavior can be justified in order to cope and you're on the way to making a sociopath.
From what I understand about mental illness and neurological conditions, is that symptoms don't suddenly decide to fuck off when it's convenient. Wouldn't that be nice. Hey schizophrenics, did you know, you can choose when to have hallucinations! Hey ADHD people, you have a major project due next week, why don't you put that ADHD to the side and focus! Hey people with anxiety, make sure to time your panic attacks so that you don't accidentally kill someone while driving!
I think this is where people get confused, they display one or two symptoms once in a while, and they think they're mentally ill. If we applied the schizophrenia label to anyone who has ever experienced non-drug induced hallucinations ever, then the vast majority of the population would be schizophrenic.
That is the vibe I get from this article. She's a sociopath, unless it benefits her to not be. Honestly, it's entirely possible that she is a sociopath and that there is key information that we're missing that would confirm it. Based on the article alone however, are not points in her favour.
She appears full of shit: "insincere". Not in touch with the truth trying to help others.
Not "the" Donald, but certainly, "a" Donald.
Just simply a liar.
I can't seem to write down 'why'. I will try to find someone to ask over beers. It is a very bewildering subject, your past two episodes. Very enjoyable and make my brain race!! TY
Without knowledge of her childhood history, it's impossible to determine whether she has a legitimate diagnosis or is merely a poseur. I suspect the latter. Or, maybe she really believes it. If nothing else, she's beyond irritating.
I am an actor and writer and I am currently writing a script on psychopathy. I understand that there has been a lot of misrepresentation in cinema regarding psychopaths and so I would like to ensure that my script is as accurate as possible.
My main question is what exactly would you like to see my script explore when it comes to psychopathy? My initial idea was to have three main characters: the psychopath, the girl (whether that be girlfriend or not I’m not sure) and her father. The psychopath (who is sort of inspired by James Fallon) is building his mask for society and meets the girl and becomes close with her. She represents society and what is the correct thing to believe and the father is a doctor who like Robert Hare misjudges and is very harsh with the psychopath and tries to influence his daughter into accepting his views, convincing her that he is guilty. She has to decide who to free from guilt and who to blame. I’ve titled it “Who to Free and Who to Blame”, inspired by Johnny Cash’s song “The Man Comes Around”.
Let me know what you think and if you have any adjustments (I’m sure there will be), I’ll make them for you. Thank you.
True Athena you did not say that. My takeaway is very clear from you I appreciate it much: "There is no overlap between psychopathy and sociopathy, and what people usually call a "psychopath" is usually nothing more than a collection of stereotypes that don't apply to anyone." No overlap. Propping the PCL-R ? Are they credited by professional groups of psychiatrists? Sometimes the mad are managing the asylum. e.g. that popular Canadian psychiatrist was "disciplined" by the Canadian College of psychiatrists whatever.
i'm constantly uncomfortable reading or hearing definitions of psychopath that are different from yours. Please help me understand. From your explanation my summary is: some 10% of psychopaths are sociopaths, and most sociopaths are psychopaths. The conventional definition of psychopath is wrong. This video mentions the Psychopath Checklist to diagnose psychopathy. But if i understood you correctly in that video the correct expression would be to replace every instance of the word psychopathy or psychopath with Sociopathy or sociopath. Is that right? In short, what most ppl call psychopath, really is a sociopath. https://youtu.be/0XhGImXWX30
I tried reading the book "the sociopath next door" in a bookstore once. I can utterly say that it was quite a waste of time. It was nothing like I was expecting
A bunch of Reddit readers were discussing the interview, and I happened upon this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askpsychology/comments/jqewhk/does_anyone_know_where_the_writer_patric_gagne/
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Criminal justice researcher/licensed California therapist here. Here is "Patric Gagne's" real personal and professional identify as far as can be gleaned. Her real name is Patricia J Cagle (if anything about her is verifiably real) not Dr. Patricia Gagne. Notably, she did not file a "fictitious business name" in California to operate her clinical practice under a fictitious name. She wrote both her her Modern Love and memoir under a fictitious name and identity. She has conflicting explanations for why her name is "Patric" not Patricia. Clever but deceptive. She told the highly credulous NYT David Marchese that she she shortened her name to appear more "masculine than feminine." Her actual performer website states that she changed her name to prevent her clients from knowing who she really is. Her acting profile states that her false identity is "so far working:""Patric" is also- looking at real information- an Improve theatre performer and claims that she hides her real identity so that her, presumably vulnerable psychotherapy clients, cannot find out anything about her real, private life. Her photos verify the actor and the author are the same woman. She may or may not have graduated from UCLA and received a BA, but records cannot be found. (I have an undergraduate degree from Yale-easily located as are my graduate degrees from University of San Francisco). Her graduate degree, is a PsyD, not a Phd. It was granted from a sketch graduate school in LA. She does appear to have a provider number but not under her name or identity and it may or may not be as a MA counselor or PsyD. It is critical to state that the REAL Dr. Gagne is a much older, eminent Dr. of Sociology with 72 major peer reviewed articles in gender studies and interesting subjects like motorcyclists. I wrote her to alert her. Other than Modern Love, I could not find a single reference to any articles, studies or any-general readership article/study/ essay or any evidence of advocacy. Lies.
When I read things like this I am always struck by the fact that good old Mk I neurotypical human beings can commit almost any atrocity that could be imagined with some prep time and with further planning actually feel good and justified about having done it.
In fact that's what would make a sociopath. You take an individual and place him or her in an environment where bad behavior can be justified in order to cope and you're on the way to making a sociopath.
From what I understand about mental illness and neurological conditions, is that symptoms don't suddenly decide to fuck off when it's convenient. Wouldn't that be nice. Hey schizophrenics, did you know, you can choose when to have hallucinations! Hey ADHD people, you have a major project due next week, why don't you put that ADHD to the side and focus! Hey people with anxiety, make sure to time your panic attacks so that you don't accidentally kill someone while driving!
I think this is where people get confused, they display one or two symptoms once in a while, and they think they're mentally ill. If we applied the schizophrenia label to anyone who has ever experienced non-drug induced hallucinations ever, then the vast majority of the population would be schizophrenic.
That is the vibe I get from this article. She's a sociopath, unless it benefits her to not be. Honestly, it's entirely possible that she is a sociopath and that there is key information that we're missing that would confirm it. Based on the article alone however, are not points in her favour.
Athena: One Peanut Gallery commenter!! hehehe.
She appears full of shit: "insincere". Not in touch with the truth trying to help others.
Not "the" Donald, but certainly, "a" Donald.
Just simply a liar.
I can't seem to write down 'why'. I will try to find someone to ask over beers. It is a very bewildering subject, your past two episodes. Very enjoyable and make my brain race!! TY
Without knowledge of her childhood history, it's impossible to determine whether she has a legitimate diagnosis or is merely a poseur. I suspect the latter. Or, maybe she really believes it. If nothing else, she's beyond irritating.
Hi, Athena.
I am an actor and writer and I am currently writing a script on psychopathy. I understand that there has been a lot of misrepresentation in cinema regarding psychopaths and so I would like to ensure that my script is as accurate as possible.
My main question is what exactly would you like to see my script explore when it comes to psychopathy? My initial idea was to have three main characters: the psychopath, the girl (whether that be girlfriend or not I’m not sure) and her father. The psychopath (who is sort of inspired by James Fallon) is building his mask for society and meets the girl and becomes close with her. She represents society and what is the correct thing to believe and the father is a doctor who like Robert Hare misjudges and is very harsh with the psychopath and tries to influence his daughter into accepting his views, convincing her that he is guilty. She has to decide who to free from guilt and who to blame. I’ve titled it “Who to Free and Who to Blame”, inspired by Johnny Cash’s song “The Man Comes Around”.
Let me know what you think and if you have any adjustments (I’m sure there will be), I’ll make them for you. Thank you.
That’s the whole article? No delving into what childhood experiences might have formed her?
True Athena you did not say that. My takeaway is very clear from you I appreciate it much: "There is no overlap between psychopathy and sociopathy, and what people usually call a "psychopath" is usually nothing more than a collection of stereotypes that don't apply to anyone." No overlap. Propping the PCL-R ? Are they credited by professional groups of psychiatrists? Sometimes the mad are managing the asylum. e.g. that popular Canadian psychiatrist was "disciplined" by the Canadian College of psychiatrists whatever.
Dear Athena,
i'm constantly uncomfortable reading or hearing definitions of psychopath that are different from yours. Please help me understand. From your explanation my summary is: some 10% of psychopaths are sociopaths, and most sociopaths are psychopaths. The conventional definition of psychopath is wrong. This video mentions the Psychopath Checklist to diagnose psychopathy. But if i understood you correctly in that video the correct expression would be to replace every instance of the word psychopathy or psychopath with Sociopathy or sociopath. Is that right? In short, what most ppl call psychopath, really is a sociopath. https://youtu.be/0XhGImXWX30
I tried reading the book "the sociopath next door" in a bookstore once. I can utterly say that it was quite a waste of time. It was nothing like I was expecting