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Isn’t automatically interpreting facial expressions, ie “knowing when something is wrong” assumption? I have crazy looking facial expressions that are not connected to any kind of strong emotion happening. I am neurodivergent. Maybe assumptions are simply an innate part of the subconscious and NTs have more of them. I also understand that fear of the unfamiliar is a very real thing. NTs especially don’t like the unknown so they will construct a story, imagined or accurate, to make up for the fact that they simply do not know at all where you’re coming from as a psychopath. They would rather construct a made up story where they know vs sitting with the fact that your perspective is a foreign concept to them. Just food for thought. Cheers!

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I think you are correct about that. The story is more comforting than the unknown, but when the story they told themselves falls apart, they tend to get angry at the person that had nothing to do with their imagined reality.

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Oct 12·edited Oct 12Liked by Athena Walker

This story captivated me. I've never had a friendship with a neurotypical person. Reason being is that they seem to expect to have their emotional needs met somehow by the relationship and I won't do that, likely because I can't. I had a colleague tell me I was cold. Yes, so? Not everyone is warm.. I was warm with my kids prior to puberty, after that I was a Sergeant major. the fact that Jess and. Athena have been friends so long is really cool. Also, the obsession with neurotypicals thinking they can unmask us,, understand us by reducing us all to criminals with ASPD, what is that? I'm 56 and never have been 'unmasked' by anyone. Mostly I don't mask, only very very lightly .. When I completely mask off, the other will know and it's a very ugly experience for that person that will lead possibly up to violent aggression. You start it, I finish it. Sorry but disrespectful people deserve everything I give them. I found the comment from the narcissist about wide eyes, narry eyes , pretend psychopath, to be typical of that species, seems like they like to employ the straw man construct when describing their imagined superiority, it's a classic.

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Oct 15·edited Oct 15Liked by Athena Walker

They're annoying those types. Like you say the 'narcissist'. I tend to think that person was a narcissist but would not have labelled him that way just because I can't really know. But he bears, by description, some similarity to people I have known that need to humiliate others to feed their grandiosity.

Trouble is, when something really bad happens, especially if it is connected to their behaviour. Like someone killing themselves or something. They absolutely can't take it. Luckily, they basically scurry away at that point. You hear one of their bizarre justifications when they have annoyed someone like five years later, especially as they start to lose social status because the neurotypicals lose respect for them. Because ultimately, someone that talks like that is incredibly boring when it comes down to it.

Again I don't know about this specific individual. Only individuals I have known that bear some similarity with said behaviour.

Also, imo, neurotypicals like to believe they can unmask the psychopathy due to the perception of animal power. They always want to feel themselves to be highest in animal power and being able to unmask a psychopath puts them at the top of that heirarchy. It's why they like apologies and such.

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Oct 13Liked by Athena Walker

yeah, it is cool they are friends.

You write "you start it, I finish it". Could I say this brother, with all respect? If I say it somewhat inartfully, or not well crafty, I ask you to search for my intended meaning. See if you can see what I am saying to you. Check that first and make sure.

I only to say something in response. Please only you can tell what it will mean to you. I only wish to commit it to you. Perhaps it is nothing.

My brother I am often tempted to violence. Most people consider me violence though not physically dangerous. No one pops me even in an exchange of insults.

That said, "If I (Tim) start it, I will plan, for me to finish it". If there is any activity, or movement on your part, after I have started, I have failed. If I act toward you with violence, my intent is for you to be over".

Best wishes in your do and all that is yours.

If I have overstepped my bounds, please know my apology will be complete, with the best humility in my respect and admiration for Athena. Submitted to her as she reads these missives ours with great joy in her heart. Trust me.

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Oct 13·edited Oct 13Liked by Athena Walker

I have the luxury of living in a low crime safe society. So I don't really have the right to tell anyone not to strike first. If you fail to strike first and pay with your life, then please strike first. If you swim with Sharks, then you know when trouble is coming. ive been privileged to live in a safe country(Canada) where criminality is rare . So perhaps we have very different realities to deal with. In the end you do what you have to do to preserve your dignity and life. I think your position would be warranted if there is a lot of social violence, as we usually have a sixth sense about trouble, you can smell it coming and I can smell Hostility i have the luxury of living in a safe society that is effectively policed, I think your approach works better in a place where you stand to loose your life if you don't take the threat out of it will take you out, now or later ..in that case yea , you have the right approach . it's not like that in Canada where I live and it would be unwise to use more aggression than I do, I'm going to jail otherwise.

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hey Lorne, it appear s you may have deleted your post. I can read it on my email copy but not in line.

I apologize. I was out of line for bringing it up.

I can not say clearly what I mean to say. I can NOT expect you to make an accurate guess.

Thank you for simulating my brain! You thought and composed and presented. Well, done.

Have a wonderful weekend and Thanksgiving!!

Hahaha. If I was at your house, I would bring you four fine bottles of local wine, each different for you to try!!

Best wishes!!

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Oct 13Liked by Athena Walker

Thank you for the very kind and interesting reply.

I do love my Canada!! Especially BTO. My auntie has a summer place in PEI. My mom loves Halifax! She is always up there! It happens I live in a small fishing town in sunny Mexico.

If Athena doesn't prevail upon us soon??? Lets risk continuing!!:

Again, great reply!

Say, in what circumstances WOULD you find yourself saying or acting upon: "you start it, I will finish it"? Obviously, you don't say that out loud, you mean to say you are ready to take appropriate actions to defend yourself against someone who has gone too far.

Perhaps this is something people say? Is this a common expression that some Canadians say?

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YEs, it's a common expression in Nova Scotia where I'm from. The circumstances where i use violence are easy to describe, another person touches me, whether they reach out with their hand or push. then the violence starts. If its a woman, I'm going to push her very hard and give a strong verbal warning, then they get a slap in the head, if that not enough. If its a male he gets a punch in the face. I don't carry, its not legal and knives aren't a great idea, either. I was trained in law enforcement so i know how to apply lethal force. i also cary a baton/billy club in my kitbag and inside a sack made of women's panty hose stuffed with dimes and bound with duct tape and a can of bear mace. I have a face mask and I always wear a hoodie. If I'm in a car and it's road rage, so maybe some biker dude makes a trouble for some unknown sociopathic reason, then I'm ramming him and smashing his legs and smashing his bike and i'll drive directly at any dumbass trying to film me. I make two rights and drive 50 miles. I'll be back home after nightfall. the thing is where I live most people are harmless and if i exercise good judgment i wont have to deal with criminals and crazies. An argument seldom leads to violence here and I honestly wont waste my time in them most of anyways. So yesterday, the guy behind me put his kitbag on the last free table at the coffee shop, Tim Hortons. I was making my order in a single line queue and i saw him do it, so i said, put that fuckin' kitbag somewhere else cause i'm ordering and your not jumping the line taking the table i want, got it? he removed the kitbag and got back in line behind me, should have been sent to the back.. I continue my order. as i leave with coffee in hand some random dude off the street jumped in and took the table, again, there using free wifi, no order, just a street urchin. SO i said to him, you got no right to this table and you know it, i paid, it's the last free table and it's mine, now get the hell outta my face. You want me to leave sir, he said. Yes, I said. He left. that was the end of it. I took my receipt , folded in two and put in front of me on that table to make the point while i had my cafe mocha and chocolate chunk cookie. i also enjoyed the free wifi. when i was finished i left. I don't give a shit what any person there thought of me and i don't understand why people put up with shit like that, I don't. I guess that's my normal aggression level. it can go all the way up to max violence, but i really don't want that to happen. but still, if a person takes my seat, they're getting booted. So that's sort of how i roll. my partner get's embarrassed when i do stuff like this in public, but i don't mind , i cant put up with BS.

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Lorne, thanks again for your well written and easy to understand posts. I really appreciate this. I see exactly what you mean. I am more familiar with New Brunswick than Nova Scotia. I visited Campobello, St Stephens, Moncton, and St Andrews.

Have you been over to Lubec? Guys over there seem to feel they are doing you a favor to offer some excuse to fight!! Drink a bit first. Possibly some sex in the parking lot. It does seem to me "hospitality" as rarely will anyone put upon you. If I am up there again, I will invite you over.

Please pardon me in advance if my POV is not quite on point: you seem (without the killings) to live quite similar to the character of Ray in Mr. InBetween.

Ray is extremely dangerous but only to bad actors. He does have friends and they are mutually loyal friends. If you haven't seen it, there is a scene with his daughter involving some youths bumping into her while she is eating some ice cream. Ray completely and utterly adores his daughter. Of course, that core value is something the youths don't have and likely won't. AND- Ray has an explanation for that!! You will like it!!

I didn't realize as I was agreeing with Ray, that the other characters, those hearing his words found him to be "way out".

I hope you see Ray in action. I enjoy the moments enormously.

BTW: I note your words above: "if I exercise good judgement, I don't have to deal with crazies and loons" (I added loons) Am I correct you live in a place where it is more or less possible to know "everyone"? Not literally but kind of?

At the bar, you know alot of them, or friends or neighbors of most everyone?

You write of the biker: Ram him. Destroy him. Destroy his property. End him.

I approve. You aren't compelled to do so. You can choose either way: But if you do respond, you go all in, as you describe.

You seem to make clear and distinctly understood "demands" or "requests" seemingly back up, right? Backed up by the threat of violence? yes?

You aren't shy. You walk about confidently, handling your business as it presents itself, yes?

Do I seem to understand? At least, a bit better?

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Oct 13·edited Oct 13

Lubeck sounds interesting, is it Canada or us? Yes, Tim , i guess thats really what I'm like - Mr. Ray, without the killings. I'll have to watch the movie, Mr. InBetween. I live in a large city now, I left Nova Scotia so long ago, but my home town was like that. At the bars back then I knew everyone, everyone knew everyone, to quite a great depth, i would say. I'm very loyal to my family, and partner. Never have been able to make a meaningful friendship connection. Trust is almost impossible for me, even with family. Maybe I'm too aloof. Yes, if i choose to do so, I go all in and I don't care what happens afterwards. Yes that's me, no I'm not shy at all. kind of an enigma, even to myself, I guess. How about you Tim, what makes you happy and what do you feel like when you first wake up in the morning?

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Indeed, it is quite typical, and rather boring

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Oct 12Liked by Athena Walker

You should try RE 4 remake

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I have played it through many times on every difficulty, have the chicken hat, the cat ears, and all the special weapons.

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So, the takeaway from that comment is that psychopaths’ eyes AREN’T too far apart. Good to know.

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My apologies, Jess pointed out that this was from the comment that I left in the post. I have to admit, as much as I find them amusing, I don't remember what they complain about.

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Can’t say I blame you

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I'm not sure what you're referring to

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Something that hit me today was how something can be so different to different people. I watch professional wrestling and I appreciate it the way I'd appreciate a Kung Fu movie, an Aikido demonstration or perhaps an exhibition bout for a legitimate combat sport.

Anyway I'd heard for years that the performance is "telling a story" but for the first time I saw things broken down by a professional wrestler as to the storytelling aspect. I have to say now I am disappointed with the entire thing! As it happens some of the most annoying and tedious aspects of the "storytelling" are designed to engage whatever neurotypicals usually enjoy watching. I already knew a little bit but now that the veil has been torn away completely I'm not sure I will actually enjoy the thing since I realize that there was an attempt to manipulate emotional responses that I don't even have. I'd rather have just been mildly annoyed for a good part of the "match"

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Oct 12Liked by Athena Walker

Pro wrestling seems faked and staged. I agree it works up the audience, and they seem to go wild. Those pro wrestling events look like a churning pot of emotion. I Can't get into it. My son's love it, but I'm like, come on guys, can't you tell it's a big act. I'm a kill joy, lol

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Think of an actual boxing match where the outcome is “fixed “. A fighter designated as “the tomato can” will go to the mat at a particular point in a particular round. He’s watching for the high sign and when he see it he closes his eyes and falls to the next blow from the designated winner.

That is exactly what a professional wrestling match is. They call it a work. If there is an actual contest then it’s called a shoot. I knew this and didn’t think much about it but now I know that they have names for types of spots expressedly intended to manipulate the crowd. I of course missed all of this until now. Frankly I like a cleanly rigged fight over a story

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Oct 13Liked by Athena Walker

Indeed. What is really compelling and gets me every time is a street fight, a real one or some kind of riot, stuff like that. I feel so much adrenaline and it draws me like a magnet, protests that go crazy, I know it's unwise to get drawn in, but it's magnetic, that gets me, and pulls me in. I'm not sure about MMA, my son's love it, I can't sit still long enough to make it through the MMA match, not sure what that means, LoL 😆

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Wow, I have never heard that. If anything, when it comes to martial arts, the story should be, do this to avoid death. End of story.

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Oct 11·edited Oct 11Liked by Athena Walker

There are different names for all of the goofy crap that wrestlers do.

The shine!

The Heat and Hope!

It’s amazing.

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Oct 12Liked by Athena Walker

Funnily enough, I knew about the storytelling aspect. A friend of mine years ago was into wrestling in a big way. So I sat down with him one night and we watched together with him providing the backstory of the wrestlers and describing what was happening story wise as the fight progressed.

Sometimes I do wonder if I’m not actually a psychopath.

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As I said I watched it as if it’s an exhibition match where you go at a low percentage of power and show off your “stunt” moves. The story goes right over my head

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Oct 13Liked by Athena Walker

Yeah, honestly I imagined it more like boxing without gloves.

I do think that’s an interesting point about storytelling and neurotypicals though. Story telling is everywhere from car advertisements through to teachings about morality in religious texts. Film storytelling about what love looks like spills over into dating expectations. It might be something to do with how neurotypicals best retain information. Code something with emotion and we both notice and remember it. Get us to notice and you have a chance of getting us to act or influencing the way we act.

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Oct 10Liked by Athena Walker

I had to reread this post a few times to understand it.

One point, that is, not connected to anything in particular is that weirdo in the comments there, and what he said about the guy lying to a therapist. I heard that in most therapy, because it opens up a lot of wounds for people, the person is meant to have stopped all addictive drugs, so that when they start confronting things they don't go back to their drug habit. So the therapist is not effectively encouraging the drug habit.

I have had friends in the past doing huge amounts of weed and whatever else, and the therapist did not bring this up as an issue. This is quite a significant lapse in the therapeutic area.

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Yes, it certainly sounds like it

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Oct 10Liked by Athena Walker

I am curious as to what entertains you about SH 2. Do you want to share?

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Silent Hill is one of the best written video games ever made

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Oct 10Liked by Athena Walker

I also have to give you credit for dealing with complete maroons commenting on your posts. How you hold back is impressive.

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Why, thank you

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Oct 9Liked by Athena Walker

You know, in this event I can easily imagine a neurotypical in Athena's position, too -- not having fully communicated and not thinking about someone else's perspective. Happens all the time. Some people are better than others at anticipating other people's reactions, and why they might react that way, but everyone fails sometimes. It goes to show communication is important in all relationships! (Although it does definitely seem to be *particularly* important with a psychopath.)

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Oct 11Liked by Athena Walker

Some people that are incredibly frightened of confrontation are a bit like that. In my understanding it comes when kids are asked questions and punished no matter how they respond. So they get into the habit of being super vague and sometimes, rather than the hassle of being super vague, they just don't respond at all.

My half sister is very like this all the time. Rather than respond and risk someone being angry at her, she just doesn't, or responds with a two line sentence or something.

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Oct 10Liked by Athena Walker

I think many people struggle with communication. Whether in business or a relationship people worry about how the person will receive the comment instead of relaying the facts.

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